http://www.m3p.com.mt/wiki/index.php?action=history&feed=atom&title=Talk%3AJohn_Laus_Il-Laj%C5%BCer 2026-07-25T12:09:07Z Revision history for this page on the wiki MediaWiki 1.36.1 http://www.m3p.com.mt/wiki/index.php?title=Talk:John_Laus_Il-Laj%C5%BCer&diff=9007&oldid=prev 2013-08-21T09:56:00Z

<p><span dir="auto"><span class="autocomment">Il-Lajżer?</span></span></p> <table style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122;" data-mw="interface"> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <tr class="diff-title" lang="en"> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">← Older revision</td> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">Revision as of 09:56, 21 August 2013</td> </tr><tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno" id="mw-diff-left-l28">Line 28:</td> <td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno">Line 28:</td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>:::[[User:SteveBorg|Steve Borg]] Most probably they shall revert to where the baby was being brought up. In Malta, to prove once&#039;s provenance we say &#039;&#039;twedilt u trabbejt in-Naxxar&#039;&#039;. You can also be baptized in one locality and then grow about in another.  </div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>:::[[User:SteveBorg|Steve Borg]] Most probably they shall revert to where the baby was being brought up. In Malta, to prove once&#039;s provenance we say &#039;&#039;twedilt u trabbejt in-Naxxar&#039;&#039;. You can also be baptized in one locality and then grow about in another.  </div></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br/></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br/></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Thus we see that Etienne Pawney, whose father is James Pawney - doesn&#039;t have a Maltese nickname since he is of Scottish ancestry. If you notice his bio which I compiled, I said that he was baptized in Bormla, but grew up in Naxxar. This was made to distinguish the folksinger&#039;s provenance. One needs to understand that the folksinging community is very proud of its &#039;&#039;għannejja primi&#039;&#039; (Premier division folksingers) since for them this manifests their role in maintaining our musical tradition. For example, if <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">you notice </del>Żeppi l-Folki, <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">who </del>in my research was originally listed as from Birżebbuġa. <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">He </del>was <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">after all </del>a Żejtuni, even though he lived for decades in Il-Bajja ta&#039; San Ġorġ - Żejtun folk enthusiasts wouldn&#039;t give him up, considering he was an għannej prim, i.e. another feather to their cap.</div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Thus we see that Etienne Pawney, whose father is James Pawney - doesn&#039;t have a Maltese nickname since he is of Scottish ancestry. If you notice his bio which I compiled, I said that he was baptized in Bormla, but grew up in Naxxar. This was made to distinguish the folksinger&#039;s provenance. One needs to understand that the folksinging community is very proud of its &#039;&#039;għannejja primi&#039;&#039; (Premier division folksingers) since for them this manifests their role in maintaining our musical tradition. For example, if <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">we observe </ins>Żeppi l-Folki, in my research <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">he </ins>was originally listed as from Birżebbuġa. <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">It transpired that he </ins>was a Żejtuni, even though he lived for decades in Il-Bajja ta&#039; San Ġorġ - Żejtun folk enthusiasts wouldn&#039;t give him up, considering he was an għannej prim, i.e. another feather to their cap <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">and their claim as being the &#039;&#039;għana&#039;&#039; capital. He would have probably been disowned had he been a lower division one, since all this is linked with the element of pride</ins>.</div></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br/></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br/></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Etienne Pawney decided to be called In-Naxxari (since he didn&#039;t grow up in Bormla, but didn&#039;t have a Maltese family nickname to use, so he is actually using the &#039;&#039;nisba&#039;&#039;, not the &#039;&#039;laqam&#039;&#039;. I know it is complex, but these issues were never really discussed in an open fora.  </div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Etienne Pawney decided to be called In-Naxxari (since he didn&#039;t grow up in Bormla, but didn&#039;t have a Maltese family nickname to use, so he is actually using the &#039;&#039;nisba&#039;&#039;, not the &#039;&#039;laqam&#039;&#039;. I know it is complex, but these issues were never really discussed in an open fora.  </div></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br/></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br/></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>[[User:SteveBorg|Steve Borg]] ([[User talk:SteveBorg|talk]]) 09:46, 21 August 2013 (UTC) Steve Borg</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>[[User:SteveBorg|Steve Borg]] ([[User talk:SteveBorg|talk]]) 09:46, 21 August 2013 (UTC) Steve Borg</div></td></tr> </table>

SteveBorg http://www.m3p.com.mt/wiki/index.php?title=Talk:John_Laus_Il-Laj%C5%BCer&diff=9006&oldid=prev 2013-08-21T09:53:16Z

<p><span dir="auto"><span class="autocomment">Il-Lajżer?</span></span></p> <table style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122;" data-mw="interface"> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <tr class="diff-title" lang="en"> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">← Older revision</td> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">Revision as of 09:53, 21 August 2013</td> </tr><tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno" id="mw-diff-left-l26">Line 26:</td> <td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno">Line 26:</td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br/></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br/></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br/></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br/></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>:::[[User:SteveBorg|Steve Borg]] Most probably they shall revert to where the baby was being brought up. In Malta, to prove once provenance we say &#039;&#039;twedilt u trabbejt<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">&#039;&#039; </del>in-Naxxar. You can also be baptized in one locality and then grow about in another. Thus Etienne Pawney, <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">who&#039;s </del>father is James Pawney - doesn&#039;t have a Maltese nickname since he is of Scottish ancestry. If you notice <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">the </del>bio, I said that he was baptized in Bormla, but grew up in Naxxar. He decided to be called In-Naxxari (since he didn&#039;t grow up in Bormla, but didn&#039;t have a Maltese family nickname to use, so he is actually using the &#039;&#039;nisba&#039;&#039;, not the &#039;&#039;laqam&#039;&#039;. I know it is complex, but these issues were never really discussed in an open fora.  </div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>:::[[User:SteveBorg|Steve Borg]] Most probably they shall revert to where the baby was being brought up. In Malta, to prove once<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">&#039;s </ins>provenance we say &#039;&#039;twedilt u trabbejt in-Naxxar<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">&#039;&#039;</ins>. You can also be baptized in one locality and then grow about in another.  </div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div> </div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Thus <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">we see that </ins>Etienne Pawney, <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">whose </ins>father is James Pawney - doesn&#039;t have a Maltese nickname since he is of Scottish ancestry. If you notice <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">his </ins>bio <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">which I compiled</ins>, I said that he was baptized in Bormla, but grew up in Naxxar<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">. This was made to distinguish the folksinger&#039;s provenance. One needs to understand that the folksinging community is very proud of its &#039;&#039;għannejja primi&#039;&#039; (Premier division folksingers) since for them this manifests their role in maintaining our musical tradition. For example, if you notice Żeppi l-Folki, who in my research was originally listed as from Birżebbuġa</ins>. He <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">was after all a Żejtuni, even though he lived for decades in Il-Bajja ta&#039; San Ġorġ - Żejtun folk enthusiasts wouldn&#039;t give him up, considering he was an għannej prim, i.e. another feather to their cap.</ins></div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div> </div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Etienne Pawney </ins>decided to be called In-Naxxari (since he didn&#039;t grow up in Bormla, but didn&#039;t have a Maltese family nickname to use, so he is actually using the &#039;&#039;nisba&#039;&#039;, not the &#039;&#039;laqam&#039;&#039;. I know it is complex, but these issues were never really discussed in an open fora.  </div></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br/></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br/></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>[[User:SteveBorg|Steve Borg]] ([[User talk:SteveBorg|talk]]) 09:46, 21 August 2013 (UTC) Steve Borg</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>[[User:SteveBorg|Steve Borg]] ([[User talk:SteveBorg|talk]]) 09:46, 21 August 2013 (UTC) Steve Borg</div></td></tr> </table>

SteveBorg http://www.m3p.com.mt/wiki/index.php?title=Talk:John_Laus_Il-Laj%C5%BCer&diff=9005&oldid=prev 2013-08-21T09:46:09Z

<p></p> <table style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122;" data-mw="interface"> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <tr class="diff-title" lang="en"> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">← Older revision</td> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">Revision as of 09:46, 21 August 2013</td> </tr><tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno" id="mw-diff-left-l24">Line 24:</td> <td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno">Line 24:</td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br/></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br/></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>::::This is a very interesting perspective in terms of provenance. So, as Malta becomes more secular, how do we determine provenance for anyone who is not baptized? If we are indeed to adopt the baptism location within the official M3P guidelines (which are currently a word-in-progress), how do we decide and/or provide guidance on people who are not baptized. This may be a rather small number for those born in the 20th century and earlier, but I suspect that we&#039;ll get more and more of these as things progress.  --[[User:Tonisant|Toni Sant]] ([[User talk:Tonisant|talk]]) 09:05, 21 August 2013 (UTC)</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>::::This is a very interesting perspective in terms of provenance. So, as Malta becomes more secular, how do we determine provenance for anyone who is not baptized? If we are indeed to adopt the baptism location within the official M3P guidelines (which are currently a word-in-progress), how do we decide and/or provide guidance on people who are not baptized. This may be a rather small number for those born in the 20th century and earlier, but I suspect that we&#039;ll get more and more of these as things progress.  --[[User:Tonisant|Toni Sant]] ([[User talk:Tonisant|talk]]) 09:05, 21 August 2013 (UTC)</div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;"></ins></div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;"></ins></div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">:::[[User:SteveBorg|Steve Borg]] Most probably they shall revert to where the baby was being brought up. In Malta, to prove once provenance we say ''twedilt u trabbejt'' in-Naxxar. You can also be baptized in one locality and then grow about in another. Thus Etienne Pawney, who's father is James Pawney - doesn't have a Maltese nickname since he is of Scottish ancestry. If you notice the bio, I said that he was baptized in Bormla, but grew up in Naxxar. He decided to be called In-Naxxari (since he didn't grow up in Bormla, but didn't have a Maltese family nickname to use, so he is actually using the ''nisba'', not the ''laqam''. I know it is complex, but these issues were never really discussed in an open fora. </ins></div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;"></ins></div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">[[User:SteveBorg|Steve Borg]] ([[User talk:SteveBorg|talk]]) 09:46, 21 August 2013 (UTC) Steve Borg</ins></div></td></tr> </table>

SteveBorg http://www.m3p.com.mt/wiki/index.php?title=Talk:John_Laus_Il-Laj%C5%BCer&diff=9004&oldid=prev 2013-08-21T09:05:02Z

<p>reply</p> <table style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122;" data-mw="interface"> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <tr class="diff-title" lang="en"> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">← Older revision</td> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">Revision as of 09:05, 21 August 2013</td> </tr><tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno" id="mw-diff-left-l19">Line 19:</td> <td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno">Line 19:</td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>::As long as we&#039;re aware of these issues, and I mean generally and not just in the case of this entry, I&#039;m happy for you to continue exploring ways to address these anomalies in the foreseeable future.  Perhaps this is something we can discuss with Mario and whoever else is present at the upcoming [[M3P:Editathon 2013]]. --[[User:Tonisant|Toni Sant]] ([[User talk:Tonisant|talk]]) 15:30, 20 August 2013 (UTC)</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>::As long as we&#039;re aware of these issues, and I mean generally and not just in the case of this entry, I&#039;m happy for you to continue exploring ways to address these anomalies in the foreseeable future.  Perhaps this is something we can discuss with Mario and whoever else is present at the upcoming [[M3P:Editathon 2013]]. --[[User:Tonisant|Toni Sant]] ([[User talk:Tonisant|talk]]) 15:30, 20 August 2013 (UTC)</div></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br/></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br/></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">[[User</del>:<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">SteveBorg|Steve Borg]] ([[User talk</del>:<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">SteveBorg|talk]]) 19</del>:<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">04</del>, <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">20 August 2013 (UTC) Steve Borg</del></div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>:::<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">In Malta</ins>, <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">the locality of one&#039;s provenance is where he is actually baptized, not the hospital where he is born. My sister and I were both born in British military hospitals but I was baptized in Marsascala and she was baptized in Senglea. Therefore, for us she is known as being of &#039;&#039;ta&#039; Ċaċu&#039;&#039;, from Senglea.</ins></div></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br/></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br/></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">In Malta</del>, <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">the locality of one&#039;s provenance is where he is actually baptized, not the hospital where he is born. My sister and I were both born in British military hospitals but I was baptized in Marsascala and she was baptized in Senglea. Therefore, for us she is known as being of &#039;&#039;ta&#039; Ċaċu&#039;&#039;, from Senglea.</del></div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">:::[[User:SteveBorg|Steve Borg]] ([[User talk:SteveBorg|talk]]) 19:04</ins>, <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">20 August 2013 (UTC) </ins></div></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br/></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br/></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>[[User:<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">SteveBorg</del>|<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Steve Borg</del>]] ([[User talk:<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">SteveBorg</del>|talk]]) <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">19</del>:<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">04</del>, <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">20 </del>August 2013 (UTC) <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Steve Borg</del></div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">::::This is a very interesting perspective in terms of provenance. So, as Malta becomes more secular, how do we determine provenance for anyone who is not baptized? If we are indeed to adopt the baptism location within the official M3P guidelines (which are currently a word-in-progress), how do we decide and/or provide guidance on people who are not baptized. This may be a rather small number for those born in the 20th century and earlier, but I suspect that we&#039;ll get more and more of these as things progress.  --</ins>[[User:<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Tonisant</ins>|<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Toni Sant</ins>]] ([[User talk:<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Tonisant</ins>|talk]]) <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">09</ins>:<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">05</ins>, <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">21 </ins>August 2013 (UTC)</div></td></tr> </table>

Tonisant http://www.m3p.com.mt/wiki/index.php?title=Talk:John_Laus_Il-Laj%C5%BCer&diff=8987&oldid=prev 2013-08-20T19:04:05Z

<p><span dir="auto"><span class="autocomment">Il-Lajżer?</span></span></p> <table style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122;" data-mw="interface"> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <tr class="diff-title" lang="en"> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">← Older revision</td> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">Revision as of 19:04, 20 August 2013</td> </tr><tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno" id="mw-diff-left-l18">Line 18:</td> <td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno">Line 18:</td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br/></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br/></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>::As long as we&#039;re aware of these issues, and I mean generally and not just in the case of this entry, I&#039;m happy for you to continue exploring ways to address these anomalies in the foreseeable future.  Perhaps this is something we can discuss with Mario and whoever else is present at the upcoming [[M3P:Editathon 2013]]. --[[User:Tonisant|Toni Sant]] ([[User talk:Tonisant|talk]]) 15:30, 20 August 2013 (UTC)</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>::As long as we&#039;re aware of these issues, and I mean generally and not just in the case of this entry, I&#039;m happy for you to continue exploring ways to address these anomalies in the foreseeable future.  Perhaps this is something we can discuss with Mario and whoever else is present at the upcoming [[M3P:Editathon 2013]]. --[[User:Tonisant|Toni Sant]] ([[User talk:Tonisant|talk]]) 15:30, 20 August 2013 (UTC)</div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;"></ins></div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">[[User:SteveBorg|Steve Borg]] ([[User talk:SteveBorg|talk]]) 19:04, 20 August 2013 (UTC) Steve Borg</ins></div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;"></ins></div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">In Malta, the locality of one's provenance is where he is actually baptized, not the hospital where he is born. My sister and I were both born in British military hospitals but I was baptized in Marsascala and she was baptized in Senglea. Therefore, for us she is known as being of ''ta' Ċaċu'', from Senglea.</ins></div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;"></ins></div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">[[User:SteveBorg|Steve Borg]] ([[User talk:SteveBorg|talk]]) 19:04, 20 August 2013 (UTC) Steve Borg</ins></div></td></tr> </table>

SteveBorg http://www.m3p.com.mt/wiki/index.php?title=Talk:John_Laus_Il-Laj%C5%BCer&diff=8986&oldid=prev 2013-08-20T18:58:56Z

<p></p> <table style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122;" data-mw="interface"> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <tr class="diff-title" lang="en"> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">← Older revision</td> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">Revision as of 18:58, 20 August 2013</td> </tr><tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno" id="mw-diff-left-l9">Line 9:</td> <td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno">Line 9:</td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>:Third division folksingers sometimes are called by their surname. I need not give examples here.</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>:Third division folksingers sometimes are called by their surname. I need not give examples here.</div></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br/></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br/></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>:Re- John Laus, I also know him as Il-Laus, but John J. Cassar gives the nickname Il-Lajżer. One can confirm this when I get to interview him. It could be that the re-branding came after the famous folk singing split that John had with Mikiel Abela l-Bambinu in the late Sixties, when he sought to fraternize with Leli Mifsud Is-Surġent, but wasn&#039;t accepted in the Rabat clan of folkies. He then moved to <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">majjketti </del>and is one of the most known of all time, as you rightly state Il-Laus. Mario Axiaq chatted with me last night that Laus is from Qormi, but Cassar refers to Gżira. This boils down to where one lives or is from, like Iċ-Ċiranu or Ir-Ruman.</div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>:Re- John Laus, I also know him as Il-Laus, but John J. Cassar gives the nickname Il-Lajżer. One can confirm this when I get to interview him. It could be that the re-branding came after the famous folk singing split that John had with Mikiel Abela l-Bambinu in the late Sixties, when he sought to fraternize with Leli Mifsud Is-Surġent, but wasn&#039;t accepted in the Rabat clan of folkies. He then moved to <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">makkjetti </ins>and is one of the most known of all time, as you rightly state Il-Laus. Mario Axiaq chatted with me last night that Laus is from Qormi, but Cassar refers to Gżira. This boils down to where one lives or is from, like Iċ-Ċiranu or Ir-Ruman.</div></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br/></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br/></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>:However, back to Laus, we need to recall that open reel recordings from the Sixties prior to his decision to go it alone, most probably refer to him with his family nickname. I shall give you another example, through an internal email. Rest assured that I added it with intent.   </div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>:However, back to Laus, we need to recall that open reel recordings from the Sixties prior to his decision to go it alone, most probably refer to him with his family nickname. I shall give you another example, through an internal email. Rest assured that I added it with intent.   </div></td></tr> </table>

SteveBorg http://www.m3p.com.mt/wiki/index.php?title=Talk:John_Laus_Il-Laj%C5%BCer&diff=8979&oldid=prev 2013-08-20T15:30:16Z

<p></p> <table style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122;" data-mw="interface"> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <tr class="diff-title" lang="en"> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">← Older revision</td> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">Revision as of 15:30, 20 August 2013</td> </tr><tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno" id="mw-diff-left-l3">Line 3:</td> <td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno">Line 3:</td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>I have followed John Laus on and off for many years but I&#039;ve never heard him called &quot;Il-Lajżer&quot;. This is not so say that he is not referred to by this name in certain quarters.  However, even his official releases don&#039;t bear this name.  So I suggest that the main entry for John Laus is simply called [[John Laus]]. If there&#039;s a need for disambiguation we should then introduce the name Il-Lajżer as originally proposed.  Still, it may be a good idea to keep this original name as a direct page for anyone searching for precisely this nickname.  It should also, obviously, be retained in the body of the text. --[[User:Tonisant|Toni Sant]] ([[User talk:Tonisant|talk]]) 10:34, 20 August 2013 (UTC)</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>I have followed John Laus on and off for many years but I&#039;ve never heard him called &quot;Il-Lajżer&quot;. This is not so say that he is not referred to by this name in certain quarters.  However, even his official releases don&#039;t bear this name.  So I suggest that the main entry for John Laus is simply called [[John Laus]]. If there&#039;s a need for disambiguation we should then introduce the name Il-Lajżer as originally proposed.  Still, it may be a good idea to keep this original name as a direct page for anyone searching for precisely this nickname.  It should also, obviously, be retained in the body of the text. --[[User:Tonisant|Toni Sant]] ([[User talk:Tonisant|talk]]) 10:34, 20 August 2013 (UTC)</div></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br/></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br/></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Folksingers, like other village folk have a nickname which in Maltese is more complex and elaborate. There is the laqam, nisba and kunje. Let us assume that we have an individual, officially known as John Borg, publicly called Ġanni Borg with a nickname Ġanni x-Xewwiex, a nisba Ġanni l-Qormi and a kunje Ġanni ta&#039; Mananni. All four refer to the same person. I have had a number of folksingers that are called, or named on the folksinger&#039;s poster, called il-karta, various nicknames with no authority at all.  </div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">:</ins>Folksingers, like other village folk have a nickname which in Maltese is more complex and elaborate. There is the laqam, nisba and kunje. Let us assume that we have an individual, officially known as John Borg, publicly called Ġanni Borg with a nickname Ġanni x-Xewwiex, a nisba Ġanni l-Qormi and a kunje Ġanni ta&#039; Mananni. All four refer to the same person. I have had a number of folksingers that are called, or named on the folksinger&#039;s poster, called il-karta, various nicknames with no authority at all.  </div></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br/></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br/></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>For example in Żebbuġ, Żeppi Ellul is known as Żeppi ta&#039; Fellusu, but when folksinging out of town, he becomes Żeppi ż-Żebbuġi. The same happened with Gabriel il-Qormi, whom I list as Ġabriel Iż-Żeżin as he is called in his hometown. Another example is Fredu Cassar, simply known as Fredu l-Għawdxi, who as we speak is back in Gozo from Australia. Now that would create an issue for Gozitans, so I refer to him as they know him Fredu Cassar ta&#039; Bakkar Omxot. In the running text, I always include words such as &#039;&#039;known as l-Għawdxi&#039;&#039; In għana, a respected folksinger shall have the honour of having his surname omitted, and thus we have Ninu l-Kalora.  </div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">:</ins>For example in Żebbuġ, Żeppi Ellul is known as Żeppi ta&#039; Fellusu, but when folksinging out of town, he becomes Żeppi ż-Żebbuġi. The same happened with Gabriel il-Qormi, whom I list as Ġabriel Iż-Żeżin as he is called in his hometown. Another example is Fredu Cassar, simply known as Fredu l-Għawdxi, who as we speak is back in Gozo from Australia. Now that would create an issue for Gozitans, so I refer to him as they know him Fredu Cassar ta&#039; Bakkar Omxot. In the running text, I always include words such as &#039;&#039;known as l-Għawdxi&#039;&#039; In għana, a respected folksinger shall have the honour of having his surname omitted, and thus we have Ninu l-Kalora.  </div></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br/></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br/></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Third division folksingers sometimes are called by their surname. I need not give examples here.</div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">:</ins>Third division folksingers sometimes are called by their surname. I need not give examples here.</div></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br/></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br/></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Re- John Laus, I also know him as Il-Laus, but John J. Cassar gives the nickname Il-Lajżer. One can confirm this when I get to interview him. It could be that the re-branding came after the famous folk singing split that John had with Mikiel Abela l-Bambinu in the late Sixties, when he sought to fraternize with Leli Mifsud Is-Surġent, but wasn&#039;t accepted in the Rabat clan of folkies. He then moved to majjketti and is one of the most known of all time, as you rightly state Il-Laus. Mario Axiaq chatted with me last night that Laus is from Qormi, but Cassar refers to Gżira. This boils down to where one lives or is from, like Iċ-Ċiranu or Ir-Ruman.</div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">:</ins>Re- John Laus, I also know him as Il-Laus, but John J. Cassar gives the nickname Il-Lajżer. One can confirm this when I get to interview him. It could be that the re-branding came after the famous folk singing split that John had with Mikiel Abela l-Bambinu in the late Sixties, when he sought to fraternize with Leli Mifsud Is-Surġent, but wasn&#039;t accepted in the Rabat clan of folkies. He then moved to majjketti and is one of the most known of all time, as you rightly state Il-Laus. Mario Axiaq chatted with me last night that Laus is from Qormi, but Cassar refers to Gżira. This boils down to where one lives or is from, like Iċ-Ċiranu or Ir-Ruman.</div></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br/></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br/></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>However, back to Laus, we need to recall that open reel recordings from the Sixties prior to his decision to go it alone, most probably refer to him with his family nickname. I shall give you another example, through an internal email. Rest assured that I added it with intent.   </div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">:</ins>However, back to Laus, we need to recall that open reel recordings from the Sixties prior to his decision to go it alone, most probably refer to him with his family nickname. I shall give you another example, through an internal email. Rest assured that I added it with intent.   </div></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br/></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br/></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>[[User:Steveborg|Steve Borg]]</div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">:</ins>[[User:Steveborg|Steve Borg]]</div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div> </div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">::Steve, this is all quite fascinating!  I say this not only from an anthropological/cultural perspective but also from the point of view of the way we develop a style guide on this wiki.  I am particularly keen to see us have clear ways to capture alternative and/or stage names for artists, some of which they may or may not embrace themselves.  It&#039;s also quite pertinent in this context to consider the towns or villages with which people are associated. In some cases this is rather clean cut, in others, especially younger generations, this may prove to be problematic, as almost everyone is born at St Luke&#039;s and now Mater Dei.  </ins></div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div> </div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">::As long as we&#039;re aware of these issues, and I mean generally and not just in the case of this entry, I&#039;m happy for you to continue exploring ways to address these anomalies in the foreseeable future.  Perhaps this is something we can discuss with Mario and whoever else is present at the upcoming [[M3P:Editathon 2013]]. --[[User:Tonisant|Toni Sant]] ([[User talk:Tonisant|talk]]) 15:30, 20 August 2013 (UTC)</ins></div></td></tr> </table>

Tonisant http://www.m3p.com.mt/wiki/index.php?title=Talk:John_Laus_Il-Laj%C5%BCer&diff=8978&oldid=prev 2013-08-20T13:17:30Z

<p></p> <table style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122;" data-mw="interface"> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <tr class="diff-title" lang="en"> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">← Older revision</td> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">Revision as of 13:17, 20 August 2013</td> </tr><tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno" id="mw-diff-left-l5">Line 5:</td> <td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno">Line 5:</td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Folksingers, like other village folk have a nickname which in Maltese is more complex and elaborate. There is the laqam, nisba and kunje. Let us assume that we have an individual, officially known as John Borg, publicly called Ġanni Borg with a nickname Ġanni x-Xewwiex, a nisba Ġanni l-Qormi and a kunje Ġanni ta&#039; Mananni. All four refer to the same person. I have had a number of folksingers that are called, or named on the folksinger&#039;s poster, called il-karta, various nicknames with no authority at all.  </div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Folksingers, like other village folk have a nickname which in Maltese is more complex and elaborate. There is the laqam, nisba and kunje. Let us assume that we have an individual, officially known as John Borg, publicly called Ġanni Borg with a nickname Ġanni x-Xewwiex, a nisba Ġanni l-Qormi and a kunje Ġanni ta&#039; Mananni. All four refer to the same person. I have had a number of folksingers that are called, or named on the folksinger&#039;s poster, called il-karta, various nicknames with no authority at all.  </div></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br/></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br/></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>For example in Żebbuġ, Żeppi Ellul is known as Żeppi ta&#039; Fellusu, but when folksinging out of town, he becomes Żeppi ż-Żebbuġi. The same happened with Gabriel il-Qormi, whom I list as Ġabriel Iż-Żeżin as he is called in his hometown. Another example is Fredu Cassar, simply known as Fredu l-Għawdxi, who as we speak is back in Gozo from Australia. Now that would create an issue for Gozitans, so I refer to him as they know him Fredu ta&#039; Bakkar Omxot. In the running text, I always include words such as &#039;&#039;known as l-Għawdxi&#039;&#039; In għana, a respected folksinger shall have the honour of having his surname omitted, and thus we have Ninu l-Kalora.  </div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>For example in Żebbuġ, Żeppi Ellul is known as Żeppi ta&#039; Fellusu, but when folksinging out of town, he becomes Żeppi ż-Żebbuġi. The same happened with Gabriel il-Qormi, whom I list as Ġabriel Iż-Żeżin as he is called in his hometown. Another example is Fredu Cassar, simply known as Fredu l-Għawdxi, who as we speak is back in Gozo from Australia. Now that would create an issue for Gozitans, so I refer to him as they know him Fredu <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Cassar </ins>ta&#039; Bakkar Omxot. In the running text, I always include words such as &#039;&#039;known as l-Għawdxi&#039;&#039; In għana, a respected folksinger shall have the honour of having his surname omitted, and thus we have Ninu l-Kalora.  </div></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br/></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br/></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Third division folksingers sometimes are called by their surname. I need not give examples here.</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Third division folksingers sometimes are called by their surname. I need not give examples here.</div></td></tr> </table>

SteveBorg http://www.m3p.com.mt/wiki/index.php?title=Talk:John_Laus_Il-Laj%C5%BCer&diff=8977&oldid=prev 2013-08-20T13:16:40Z

<p></p> <table style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122;" data-mw="interface"> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <tr class="diff-title" lang="en"> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">← Older revision</td> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">Revision as of 13:16, 20 August 2013</td> </tr><tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno" id="mw-diff-left-l3">Line 3:</td> <td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno">Line 3:</td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>I have followed John Laus on and off for many years but I&#039;ve never heard him called &quot;Il-Lajżer&quot;. This is not so say that he is not referred to by this name in certain quarters.  However, even his official releases don&#039;t bear this name.  So I suggest that the main entry for John Laus is simply called [[John Laus]]. If there&#039;s a need for disambiguation we should then introduce the name Il-Lajżer as originally proposed.  Still, it may be a good idea to keep this original name as a direct page for anyone searching for precisely this nickname.  It should also, obviously, be retained in the body of the text. --[[User:Tonisant|Toni Sant]] ([[User talk:Tonisant|talk]]) 10:34, 20 August 2013 (UTC)</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>I have followed John Laus on and off for many years but I&#039;ve never heard him called &quot;Il-Lajżer&quot;. This is not so say that he is not referred to by this name in certain quarters.  However, even his official releases don&#039;t bear this name.  So I suggest that the main entry for John Laus is simply called [[John Laus]]. If there&#039;s a need for disambiguation we should then introduce the name Il-Lajżer as originally proposed.  Still, it may be a good idea to keep this original name as a direct page for anyone searching for precisely this nickname.  It should also, obviously, be retained in the body of the text. --[[User:Tonisant|Toni Sant]] ([[User talk:Tonisant|talk]]) 10:34, 20 August 2013 (UTC)</div></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br/></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br/></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Folksingers, like other village folk have a nickname which in Maltese is more complex and elaborate. There is the laqam, nisba and kunje. Let us assume that we have an individual, officially known as John Borg, publicly called Ġanni Borg with a nickname Ġanni x-Xewwiex, a nisba Ġanni l-Qormi and a kunje Ġanni ta&#039; Mananni. <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Both </del>refer to the same person. I have had a number of folksingers that are called, or named on the folksinger&#039;s poster, called il-karta, various nicknames with no authority at all.  </div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Folksingers, like other village folk have a nickname which in Maltese is more complex and elaborate. There is the laqam, nisba and kunje. Let us assume that we have an individual, officially known as John Borg, publicly called Ġanni Borg with a nickname Ġanni x-Xewwiex, a nisba Ġanni l-Qormi and a kunje Ġanni ta&#039; Mananni. <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">All four </ins>refer to the same person. I have had a number of folksingers that are called, or named on the folksinger&#039;s poster, called il-karta, various nicknames with no authority at all.  </div></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br/></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br/></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>For example in Żebbuġ, Żeppi Ellul is known as Żeppi ta&#039; Fellusu, but when folksinging out of town, he becomes Żeppi ż-Żebbuġi. The same happened with Gabriel il-Qormi, whom I list as Ġabriel Iż-Żeżin as he is called in his hometown. Another example is Fredu Cassar, simply known as Fredu l-Għawdxi, who as we speak is back in Gozo from Australia. Now that would create an issue for Gozitans, so I refer to him as they know him Fredu ta&#039; Bakkar Omxot. In the running text, I always include words such as &#039;&#039;known as l-Għawdxi&#039;&#039;</div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>For example in Żebbuġ, Żeppi Ellul is known as Żeppi ta&#039; Fellusu, but when folksinging out of town, he becomes Żeppi ż-Żebbuġi. The same happened with Gabriel il-Qormi, whom I list as Ġabriel Iż-Żeżin as he is called in his hometown. Another example is Fredu Cassar, simply known as Fredu l-Għawdxi, who as we speak is back in Gozo from Australia. Now that would create an issue for Gozitans, so I refer to him as they know him Fredu ta&#039; Bakkar Omxot. In the running text, I always include words such as &#039;&#039;known as l-Għawdxi&#039;&#039; <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">In għana, a respected folksinger shall have the honour of having his surname omitted, and thus we have Ninu l-Kalora. </ins></div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div> </div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Third division folksingers sometimes are called by their surname. I need not give examples here.</ins></div></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br/></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br/></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Re- John Laus, I also know him as Il-Laus, but John J. Cassar gives the nickname Il-Lajżer. One can confirm this when I get to interview him. It could be that the re-branding came after the famous folk singing split that John had with Mikiel Abela l-Bambinu in the late Sixties, when he sought to fraternize with Leli Mifsud Is-Surġent, but wasn&#039;t accepted in the Rabat clan of folkies. He then moved to majjketti and is one of the most known of all time, as you rightly state Il-Laus. Mario Axiaq chatted with me last night that Laus is from Qormi, but Cassar refers to Gżira. This boils down to where one lives or is from, like Iċ-Ċiranu or Ir-Ruman.</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Re- John Laus, I also know him as Il-Laus, but John J. Cassar gives the nickname Il-Lajżer. One can confirm this when I get to interview him. It could be that the re-branding came after the famous folk singing split that John had with Mikiel Abela l-Bambinu in the late Sixties, when he sought to fraternize with Leli Mifsud Is-Surġent, but wasn&#039;t accepted in the Rabat clan of folkies. He then moved to majjketti and is one of the most known of all time, as you rightly state Il-Laus. Mario Axiaq chatted with me last night that Laus is from Qormi, but Cassar refers to Gżira. This boils down to where one lives or is from, like Iċ-Ċiranu or Ir-Ruman.</div></td></tr> </table>

SteveBorg http://www.m3p.com.mt/wiki/index.php?title=Talk:John_Laus_Il-Laj%C5%BCer&diff=8976&oldid=prev 2013-08-20T13:14:29Z

<p><span dir="auto"><span class="autocomment">Il-Lajżer?</span></span></p> <table style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122;" data-mw="interface"> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <tr class="diff-title" lang="en"> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">← Older revision</td> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">Revision as of 13:14, 20 August 2013</td> </tr><tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno" id="mw-diff-left-l2">Line 2:</td> <td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno">Line 2:</td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>==Il-Lajżer?==</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>==Il-Lajżer?==</div></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>I have followed John Laus on and off for many years but I&#039;ve never heard him called &quot;Il-Lajżer&quot;. This is not so say that he is not referred to by this name in certain quarters.  However, even his official releases don&#039;t bear this name.  So I suggest that the main entry for John Laus is simply called [[John Laus]]. If there&#039;s a need for disambiguation we should then introduce the name Il-Lajżer as originally proposed.  Still, it may be a good idea to keep this original name as a direct page for anyone searching for precisely this nickname.  It should also, obviously, be retained in the body of the text. --[[User:Tonisant|Toni Sant]] ([[User talk:Tonisant|talk]]) 10:34, 20 August 2013 (UTC)</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>I have followed John Laus on and off for many years but I&#039;ve never heard him called &quot;Il-Lajżer&quot;. This is not so say that he is not referred to by this name in certain quarters.  However, even his official releases don&#039;t bear this name.  So I suggest that the main entry for John Laus is simply called [[John Laus]]. If there&#039;s a need for disambiguation we should then introduce the name Il-Lajżer as originally proposed.  Still, it may be a good idea to keep this original name as a direct page for anyone searching for precisely this nickname.  It should also, obviously, be retained in the body of the text. --[[User:Tonisant|Toni Sant]] ([[User talk:Tonisant|talk]]) 10:34, 20 August 2013 (UTC)</div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;"></ins></div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Folksingers, like other village folk have a nickname which in Maltese is more complex and elaborate. There is the laqam, nisba and kunje. Let us assume that we have an individual, officially known as John Borg, publicly called Ġanni Borg with a nickname Ġanni x-Xewwiex, a nisba Ġanni l-Qormi and a kunje Ġanni ta' Mananni. Both refer to the same person. I have had a number of folksingers that are called, or named on the folksinger's poster, called il-karta, various nicknames with no authority at all. </ins></div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;"></ins></div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">For example in Żebbuġ, Żeppi Ellul is known as Żeppi ta' Fellusu, but when folksinging out of town, he becomes Żeppi ż-Żebbuġi. The same happened with Gabriel il-Qormi, whom I list as Ġabriel Iż-Żeżin as he is called in his hometown. Another example is Fredu Cassar, simply known as Fredu l-Għawdxi, who as we speak is back in Gozo from Australia. Now that would create an issue for Gozitans, so I refer to him as they know him Fredu ta' Bakkar Omxot. In the running text, I always include words such as ''known as l-Għawdxi''</ins></div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;"></ins></div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Re- John Laus, I also know him as Il-Laus, but John J. Cassar gives the nickname Il-Lajżer. One can confirm this when I get to interview him. It could be that the re-branding came after the famous folk singing split that John had with Mikiel Abela l-Bambinu in the late Sixties, when he sought to fraternize with Leli Mifsud Is-Surġent, but wasn't accepted in the Rabat clan of folkies. He then moved to majjketti and is one of the most known of all time, as you rightly state Il-Laus. Mario Axiaq chatted with me last night that Laus is from Qormi, but Cassar refers to Gżira. This boils down to where one lives or is from, like Iċ-Ċiranu or Ir-Ruman.</ins></div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;"></ins></div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">However, back to Laus, we need to recall that open reel recordings from the Sixties prior to his decision to go it alone, most probably refer to him with his family nickname. I shall give you another example, through an internal email. Rest assured that I added it with intent.  </ins></div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;"></ins></div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">[[User:Steveborg|Steve Borg]]</ins></div></td></tr> </table>

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